On Thursday, TruthRevolt Editor-in-Chief Ben Shapiro appeared on the Sean Hannity radio show to debate Democratic strategist Mark Hannah about the various issues facing the nation, from the botched rollout of Obamacare to raising the minimum wage.
After a brief debate between Hannity and Mark about whether or not Obama lied to the American public with his "if you like your plan, you can keep it" slogan, Hannity turned to Ben Shapiro in frustration over Mark continually rejecting that Obama ever lied at all. Below is the transcript:
HANNITY: This is why the country is screwed, because you could get Obama on video robbing a bank and shooting somebody, and you're going to get somebody like Mark that's going to defend it, and say that 'well, it's going to give money to the poor.'
SHAPIRO: Basically, the only thing President Obama could do at this point to get him in trouble with the left is to drive a car into a river with woman in the backseat -- oh no, that actually wouldn't get him in trouble with the left. The fact is President Obama has done a brilliant jo; he's done everything he wanted to. There are more people dependent on government than at any time in American history. He's decreasing American influence around the world. He's dramatically slashing the military. All of his chief goals have been achieved. So, in that way, sure, he's been wonderful, but as far as that being good for the American people, different story.
HANNAH: And month by month private sector job creation for the past 44 months straight has been a disaster, and our unemployment is lower than it has been since 2009.
SHAPIRO: Oh Mark, you know our labor participation rate is lower than at anytime in the last four decades, and Mark you also know that George W. Bush's job creation record in the first five to six years of his presidency was significantly better than Barack Obama's. In one month back in the 1980's Ronald Reagan's private sector created 1.1 million jobs. This is the slowest economic recovery in American history by virtually every measure.
HANNAH: I'll be fair here. Bill Clinton and George W. Bush completely [destabilized the economy], given their massive deregulation and turning a complete blind eye to the fact that we were enacting policies that benefited people on Wall Street who were taking million dollar bonuses and were imperiling the financial security of the rest of middle America.
SHAPIRO: Mark, we're now six years into President Obama's presidency. At what point does he have to take responsibility for his economy, or does he also get to blame Woodrow Wilson? How far back do we have to go here?
HANNAH: This economy has come back from the greatest economic recession since the Great Depression.
Afterwards, Ben pointed out to Mark this has been the most unequal recovery in American history, and that the top one percent of Americans have gotten rich faster than ever. Mark Hannah countered by saying Obama has addressed that by taking the initiative to tackle income inequality. Shapiro stated:
This whole idea about economic inequality being the biggest problem in America is nonsense. I'm not worried about people being rich, I'm worried about too many people being poor. If President Obama wants to deal with the problems of poverty, the best way to do that would be to have a healthy, growing economy...
Later, the conversation shifted onto food stamps and the minimum wage. Mark Hannah argued that we needed to raise the minimum wage to get people off food stamps and businesses had a duty to pay their employees more. That's when Shapiro pounced:
SHAPIRO: Mark, I actually agree with you that we need business to pay people better wages. You know how you do that? You stop supplementing their wages with food stamps. The reason that businesses can pay people $7.25 an hour is because there are people willing to work for $7.25 an hour. The reason they're willing to take $7.25 an hour is because these businesses are being subsidized basically by the federal government. So, if you want businesses to pay a fair market wage, which would certainly be more that $7.25 an hour, all you have to do is get rid of the supplemental benefits that incentive people to take cheap jobs. This is very easy.
HANNAH: This is chicken and egg situation, because I happen to think that the only reason the government and the tax payers are supporting the people who are feeding their families on a minimum wage job is because they have to. Those people are needy. I think it is not just economically a problem, but a moral problem in our country when people who are working full-time jobs are living below the poverty line. I think we can all agree that.
SHAPIRO: No, you know what's a moral problem in my country? When people are confiscating my wealth because I'm supposed to pay for somebody else's voluntary transaction. Last I checked, McDonald's can't actually force anybody to work in McDonald's for $7.25 an hour, that's a voluntary transaction. Confiscating my wealth to help supplement that is tyrannical.
Mark simply replied that it's not tyrannical, and that it's all of our "civic duties" to pay for other people's wages.
