In an interview with TruthRevolt editor-in-chief Ben Shapiro on AM KTTH 770 Tuesday, one of the leaders of protest group Justice for Mike Brown Seattle suggested that “disruptive” protests were warranted because if you’re going to make an omelette, you have to break some eggs.

Shapiro began the interview (starts at 9:30 mark) by asking the self-described “police accountability activist,” Mohawk Kuzma, what it was his group was trying to accomplish. Kuzma explained that since Officer Darren Wilson wasn’t indicted, they were “disrupting business as usual” because a “racial injustice has happened.”

Shapiro then gave Kuzma a chance to explain what “injustice” he believed actually transpired in the case of Michael Brown. Officer Wilson, claimed Kuzma, “incited” the struggle by trying to pull Brown in through his window, hitting him with the car door, and then shooting Brown as he was "trying to surrender." Shapiro responded by pointing to the evidence: 

Shapiro: You do realize, Mohawk, that pretty much every aspect of the physical evidence contradicts what you just suggested happened?

Shapiro went on to explain that multiple witnesses testified and confirmed Wilson’s account of the struggle, that Brown initiated the conflict by attacking Wilson and was not surrendering when he was shot but was actually charging at Wilson. Despite the evidence, Kuzma continued to insist that Wilson was the aggressor and even denied the evidence showing that Brown struck Wilson. Kuzma also made the claim that Brown was shot in the stomach, though no autopsies showed this.

Shapiro turned the conversation to a discussion of “practical policy” solutions, as opposed to vague charges of systemic racism and injustice. When Mohawk began to accuse law enforcement of operating like the “Wild Wild West,” Shapiro asked Mohawk (who is of mixed race) if he has ever actually experienced racial injustice by law enforcement. Mohawk claimed that he was pepper-sprayed “for no apparent reason,” then explained that he failed to obey police officers’ demands during a protest.

Mohawk explained that he was at all the major Mike Brown protests in the Seattle area, including the I-5 shutdown. When Shapiro asked him if he thought it was a useful tactic to shut down an interstate, Mohawk said yes because it “makes a statement.” Shapiro then pressed him on the safety concerns:

Shapiro: Is it problematic to you if, for example, there are ambulances on the freeway that need to get through and they can’t because there are protesters on the freeway?

Mohawk: I guess that’s a possibility […] We need to look at the broader thing, basically saying that there’s bigger issues.

The police, said Mohawk, could let them through but, regardless, “That’s not the issue here.”

Shapiro: So the case is basically that with regard to that sort of stuff, if you’re trying to make an omelette, you have to scramble a few eggs.

Mohawk: Yes. [inaudible] You got to attract some attention… You got to stir up… You got to disrupt.

Shapiro then asked Mohawk what he thought about the protesters’ disruption of the Christmas celebration put on by seven to ten-year-olds in the Westlake Mall, which angered many in the area. Mohawk called it a “good idea,” adding that the protesters hadn’t noticed that children were up there, but again, “That was not the issue.”

Mohawk: It was about making our voice heard and disrupting business as usual.

Interview conducted Dec. 2, 2014 on "The Ben Shapiro Show" on AM KTTH 770.