Morgan Freeman to Don Lemon: Race Affects Wealth? 'Bullsh*t'

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating and here we sit at the dining table."

Actor Morgan Freeman sat with Don Lemon on CNN Tonight and slapped down the notion that race has anything to do with income inequality, calling "bullsh*t" on the idea that people can't pull themselves out of the bad situations they were born into.

Lemon, the preeminent race-baiter, tried his best to stick to his belief that race plays an inherent part in the wealth gap in America, but Freeman wasn't having it. Lemon put up a statistic from Freeman's Science Channel show Through the Wormhole showing that 85 of the richest people on Earth have as much money as the poorest 3.5 billion. Freeman reminded him that those numbers are for the "planet" but Lemon suggested that this is pretty well in line with how it is in America. Freeman agreed but said, "Don't abandon the idea that it isn't finite. It isn't finite."

Freeman used Lemon as an example:

Freeman: Where were you born? 

Lemon: Me? 

Freeman: Yes. 

Lemon: Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Baton Rough General Hospital.

Freeman: Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I was born in Memphis, Tennessee. I had a long haul from where I came from, to here. But here we are. So proof is in -- the proof of the pudding is in the eating and here we sit at the dining table. 

Lemon: But it's hard to -- when you say that to some people because they say, 'Here you go with the pull yourself up by the bootstraps thing. You're just being respectable. Not everybody can do that.'

Freeman: Bullsh*t. Everybody can. Everybody doesn't -- courage. Courage is the key to life itself. A lot of people were born in situations, 'I'll never get out of this.' So they won't. I say to people who say, 'Well, I would like to have done so and so and so and so.' I say, well, you could have done it. 'I couldn't get out of here.' Man, the bus runs every day.

The conversation continued later in the segment when, again, Lemon tried to apply race as a factor in the distribution of wealth. And using a shorter word than "bullish*t," Freeman shut him down once again with a simple "no."

Lemon: So can I go back to, because I thought what you said was fascinating, because you called it bull when you said people can't pull themselves up. Do you think that race plays a part in wealth distribution or either a mind-set that you can't...

Freeman: Today? 

Lemon: Yeah. 

Freeman: No. 

Lemon: You don't? 

Freeman: No, I don't. I don't. You and I, we're proof. Why would race have anything to do with it? Put your mind to what you want to do and go for that. It's kind of like religion to me -- it's a good excuse for not getting there. 

In a moment of self realization, Lemon admits to obsessively talking about race when reporting, until Freeman, as calm and as cool as he genuinely appears, nails the coffin shut by saying the problem lies with making race "a bigger issue than it needs to be:"

Lemon: You know, I said -- this will probably get me in trouble, but I said to some of my colleagues recently, so I know that it's an issue. But I've been -- it seems like every single day on television I'm talking about race. And it's because of the news cycle, it's in the news, but sometimes I get so tired of talking about it. I want to -- I want to just go, this is over. Can we move on? 

Freeman: And if you talk about it, it exists. 

Lemon: Right. 

Freeman: It's not like it exists, and we refuse to talk about it. But making it a bigger issue than it needs to be is the problem here. 

Watch that portion of the interview below:

 

 

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