Freedom Center founder David Horowitz and Washington Times staff writer Charlie Hurt appeared on Fox News with Lou Dobbs to discuss whether President Trump should defund the University of California, Berkeley over the rioting Wednesday night that shut down a speaking engagement by gay conservative Milo Yiannoppoulos.

Who is responsible for that rioting? Horowitz, author of the new book Big Agenda: President Trump's Plan to Save America, points the finger at former Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano, now the President of the UC system, as well as a "seditious" Democratic Party besieging the Trump administration.

Check out the short conversation above.