FLASHBACK: Shapiro vs. Morgan, Part 2

Jason Collins and gun control. May 2, 2013.

Partial transcript courtesy of Newsbusters.

PIERS MORGAN: But you personally believe, like a third of these people, that you will need in the next few years, it says, you will need to have weapons to take on your own government?

BEN SHAPIRO: I don't believe in the next few years. I believe that there is always the possibility of government tyranny. I don't see that happening in the next couple of years. I do think, Piers, I have to say, I think the reason that there are so many folks who are talking about the possibility of government tyranny is threefold really. It's the Obama administration's increasing reliance on big government. And that, I think threatens some people. I think it's folks like Alex Jones who do this routine where every time they shut down a city like Boston because of a terrorist attack, it's the end of the world and military law is at hand.

And honestly, I think part of it is due to folks like you, Piers because, you know, you go out of your way to really give the impression that you're interested in taking away people's fundamental right to bear arms and I think that scares a lot of folks.

MORGAN: Well no, I'm not – we've discussed this. I'm not remotely against people having right to bear arms, I'm seriously against the right to have military style assault weapons to blow kids' brains to pieces in school.

SHAPIRO: I still don't understand your position on this, because you've said you're against assault weapons, but you are okay with handguns. Handguns kill 6,000 people a year. Assault weapons kill 300.

MORGAN: Well, they're both a big problem. Handguns and assault weapons with mass shootings.

SHAPIRO: You're from the UK, why don't we go with a full gun ban?

MORGAN: Listen, we've discussed this. The UK has 40, 50 gun murders a year, America has 12,000. Why don't we try our way? Let's move on to this. Jason Collins –

SHAPIRO: I'm glad you finally let your agenda out there…

The debate continued with regard to the media treatment of Jason Collins’ coming out. Partial transcript below.

SHAPIRO: Why do you hate America so much that you think it’s such a homophobic country, that when Jason Collins comes out it is the biggest deal in the history of humanity and President Obama has to personally congratulate him?....You're British, and a lot of folks have said you should leave the country, because you're British. You come on here every night, and you speak in a British accent. That doesn't make you a hero, it makes you being who you are. I'm Jewish. I wear a yarmulke on TV. I'm not a hero for wearing a yarmulke. Being who you are in 2013 in America is what America is about. It is not heroic to be who you are publicly. I’m glad for Jason Collins if he feels he’s going to live a happier life now, but it does not make you a hero to be who you are.”

MORGAN: Come off it. To have your first thought be to get on Twitter and sneer at him? It’s cheap and abysmal.